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| Subject: The Search Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:19 pm | |
| Thought we'd get this out of the way since it did cause quite a stir in the fandom when Part 1 of The Search came out earlier this year. And who knows what is going to happen to the fandom once Part 2 comes out next month. - What are your thoughts on Zuko not being Ozai's son?
- What do you think the significant is about the wolf spirit?
- When do you think we'll officially see Ursa again? Part 2 or 3?
- What are your predictions to what will happen to Azula after 'The Search'?
-- My personal opinions: Hidden so that anyone could read it if they want to, but not obligated to read. - Spoiler:
1.What are your thoughts on Zuko not being Ozai's son? I found The Search to be a load of crap when the whole thing with Zuko not being Ozai's son happened. First off, Zuko looks absolutely nothing like Ikem. Bryan and Mike had stated in an interview [pending on source] that Ozai was an older version of Zuko without the scar. Second, it ruins majority if not all of Zuko's character development and reasoning in Book 3.
Uncle Iroh stated in The Avatar and Fire Lord that, "Understanding the struggle between your two great-grandfathers, can help you better understand the battle within yourself. Evil and good are always at war inside you, Zuko. It is your nature, your legacy."
If Zuko is not Ozai's son, then he doesn't have the Fire Lords in him. And makes this whole character development pointless. It in turns only effects Azula who is the descendent of both Fire Lord and Avatar if this is the case. No lie, Azula is my favorite character and I love her to death, but Zuko needs to be Fire Lord for the reasons and was built during the series.
I'm fine with the idea of Ursa having a first love before Ozai and the fact their marriage was forced/arranged on her, but come on! The timing for Zuko to be conceived and be Ikem's and not Ozai's would mean they did you know what at the theater or sometime before that scene. It's the only way to fit with the timing with Ursa and Ozai's wedding which happened right away and they would have consummated the marriage for sure based on the world they're living in. It's poor storytelling with the pacing of the comic and all the stuff that we've been told in the past during the series.
2. What do you think the significant is about the wolf spirit? Basing off of the symbolism of wolves, is that they are meant for being a disguise. Little Red Riding Hood for example. Granted wolves also have the symbolism of being sexual, "wolf whistle", it's also used for disguise. Then there is Anubis* the Egyptian God. Where it is associated with death and even judgement on the weight of your heart.
So with the wolf my view on it's significance is that it could be symbolsim a disguise to someone either Ikem or Ursa. It could even been a low undertone of the sexual nature since Zuko's blood father is called into question. And then maybe Ursa is actually dead, but I doubt that since the pilot of Korra made it sound like Ursa was still alive when they found her. However, it could have some small connection to the weighing fo the heart in a metaphorical sense.
*While Anubis is a jackal, jackals are sometimes used interchangeably with wolves. And in recent studies jackals are genetically a form of a grey wolf and had recently been renamed to 'Egyptian Wolf'.
3. When do you think we'll officially see Ursa again? Part 2 or 3? Either at the end of Part 2 or early Part 3. I'm leaning more towards the end of Part 2 to leave all us hanging again until Part 3.
4. What are your predictions to what will happen to Azula after 'The Search'? I hope for the best for Azula that she becomes one of Zuko's advisors and may be her niece's firebending master. That or she lives wandering literally the rest of her life just trying to find who she really is without having to be the Princess of the Fire Nation and no longer having the choking weight of her father on her and being at peace with Ursa.
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| | | HanasakuyaWhite Lotus Leader Founder
Title : The Avatar of the Forums Posts : 288 Join date : 2013-06-06 Age : 31 Location : Republic City
| Subject: Re: The Search Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:29 pm | |
| Ooooh my god. I love it so far. But the mystery is driving me nuts since the publication of the actual comics are so spaced out.
To be honest, I really like your thoughts a lot; I find myself agreeing with all of them. The way they "revealed" that Zuko may not be Ozai's son was way too ambiguous. It was probably mostly meant to confuse Zuko and perhaps give him more room for growth/understanding what his mother was like, what she had went through, etc. |
| | | HanasakuyaWhite Lotus Leader Founder
Title : The Avatar of the Forums Posts : 288 Join date : 2013-06-06 Age : 31 Location : Republic City
| Subject: Re: The Search Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:58 pm | |
| So after doing some reading, more on 1. - Spoiler:
It is possible that, since Ursa wanted the hell out of that marriage and palace so bad, she purposefully wrote the letter to make it seem like Zuko wasn't Ozai's so that way she and Zuko could be set free because Ozai would have no choice/would hate her/this would bring dishonor on the royal family, etc. I mean I really do think Zuko is Ozai's son; he looks like him and even Azula and Zuko look related. But Ozai was also extremely paranoid and couldn't bear the possibility. I mean, nevermind that Zuko looks like him or anything. He's so paranoid, he kept the letter in the back of his mind. This is probably why Ozai disregarded Zuko, burned Zuko, disowned Zuko, told him he was lucky to be born, etc. etc. Ozai dismissed what was plainly in his face all probably because of that one letter and the events that unfolded in The Search (we really do need part 2 and 3 here).
The conflict going on inside Zuko makes sense due to his bloodlines. He is Fire Lord for the longest time, as mentioned in LoK, so obviously he didn't get the boot like you would think if he wasn't a legitimate heir.
So I think, right now since we don't have much else to go on, Ursa wrote the letter like she did purposefully, knowing that the little servant woman would read it/has been reading the other letters/would show Ozai. I think Ursa came up with a plan to get out, with Zuko, and this is what got the ball rolling. However, it obviously didn't turn out the way she was planning. Since Zuko doesn't know the backstory behind his mother yet and we, the readers, only know so much...you can see why Zuko would be like "....WHAT?!?!?!". We, the readers, get some insight to what's going on, because we get to see the flashbacks. Zuko does not. Zuko is travelling on with Aang and them, having zero idea yet about his mother's past.
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| | | ChmiaWater Chieftess Moderators Councilwoman
Posts : 86 Join date : 2013-06-07 Age : 35
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:19 pm | |
| Waaaaiiiit... There are comics? Hold up, before we get further in the conversation, I need to be told where I can get my hands on The Search. |
| | | HanasakuyaWhite Lotus Leader Founder
Title : The Avatar of the Forums Posts : 288 Join date : 2013-06-06 Age : 31 Location : Republic City
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:25 pm | |
| My guess would be a bookstore like Barnes and Noble I read all my comics online though. Even if it has to be via youtube. |
| | | NankaEarth Queen Members Councilman
Title : The Blind Bandit Posts : 355 Join date : 2013-06-08 Age : 31 Location : Ba Sing Se
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:26 pm | |
| Are there any publications on the Internet? I'd like to be able to read these comics to get to know this better as well. |
| | | HanasakuyaWhite Lotus Leader Founder
Title : The Avatar of the Forums Posts : 288 Join date : 2013-06-06 Age : 31 Location : Republic City
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:26 pm | |
| Yeah. Just search them. I read it when there were no scans up yet so I had to read it via youtube. But I would like to hope there's scans now. If not, youtube should still have "videos" of the scans for you to pause and read. |
| | | GuestGuest
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:23 pm | |
| Be sure to read "The Promise" before "The Search" if you haven't read either of them. |
| | | NankaEarth Queen Members Councilman
Title : The Blind Bandit Posts : 355 Join date : 2013-06-08 Age : 31 Location : Ba Sing Se
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:16 pm | |
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| | | GuestGuest
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:17 pm | |
| Lolz. But "The Promise" happened before "The Search" |
| | | NankaEarth Queen Members Councilman
Title : The Blind Bandit Posts : 355 Join date : 2013-06-08 Age : 31 Location : Ba Sing Se
| Subject: Re: The Search Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:20 pm | |
| I don't know how any of this works. I didn't even really know there was a comic series before this. |
| | | CPKalldayWhite Lotus Sentry Water Tribe
Title : Mist-Illusionist Posts : 175 Join date : 2013-06-12 Age : 31 Location : Orlando, Fl
| Subject: Re: The Search Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:03 am | |
| WHAT!? I HAD NO IDEA THERE IS A COMIC. And it's pretty good, at that. Drama, bro, drama. lol
But this is crazy so Zuko isn't the rightful heir to the throne? Twistedddddddd~ |
| | | GuestGuest
| Subject: Re: The Search Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:01 pm | |
| You have to read The Promise before The Search.
As for Zuko that's how it looks right now, but there is something behind it since we all know he still held the throne until he retired and his daughter became Fire Lord. |
| | | CPKalldayWhite Lotus Sentry Water Tribe
Title : Mist-Illusionist Posts : 175 Join date : 2013-06-12 Age : 31 Location : Orlando, Fl
| Subject: Re: The Search Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:23 pm | |
| Well, I'm sure that's why Ozai agni kaied with him to make sure he would be banished. He did not expect to lose the war. So he expected when he died, Azula would take the throne because Zuko was banished. Crazy how this stuff plays out.
I didn't read the Promise either... darn... Stupid me. |
| | | GuestGuest
| Subject: Re: The Search Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:35 pm | |
| I seriously don't think Zuko is Ikem's son. They look nothing alike. It's Ursa being all sneaky towards that old woman to make Ozai think Zuko isn't his. Like I mention in my undercut theory for the timing of Zuko's conception to be Ikem's son, they would to have had done it a little before or during that scene was saw Ursa and Ikem at the theatre.
It's a good assumption that the wedding took place as soon as possible. I'm estimating 2 - 3 days since Ursa arrived to the Capital City and they more than likely consummated the marriage the same night. I'm basing it off on the timing of Zuko's conception and an old Bryke interview that Zuko is Ozai's son, but tricked to be believed to be Ikem's son. |
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